Being a combat veteran of multiple engagements within a foreign nation almost certainly means he committed or attempted pre-meditated, intentional, cold-blooded homicide. The word for that is murder. Having state sanction doesn’t make it not murder. The things you do still reflect on you.
You know, at first I didn’t agree with you, then I read your post again and thought I agree, then I thought some more and went back and forth before finally deciding to not engage.
However, please stop seeing things in black and white and having arguments over it. Increased polarisation and ‘us vs them’ mentality in society can only lead to more violence.
There are some hard bright lines and murder is one of them. It’s one that I’ve been dismayed many progressive have in recent times decided they could overlook, if the right people suffer, if the right ends are advanced through the means of a human life. Please stop trying to obscure this line.
I’m not saying murder is fine. I just can’t agree that your generalization is true. There are many different ways to end up in armed forces and be forced to kill other people.
If a person has been in that situation, we can’t just assign them into a “murderer” group and try to placate them for everything that is going wrong. That is how we got to the current far-right ‘conservative’ support rise in almost every country. Instead, we should approach those people and try to educate them on how they were wronged by the current state of affairs. Then, together, we have a chance to make things better.
I’m pretty sure that if you ask, 99% of veterans won’t tell you that they enjoyed murdering people or think that that is ok. Usually they become very sad and/or exhibit PTSD symptoms.
more relevant, the overwhelming majority of veterans are in non combat roles. Like overwhelmingly so. Most military jobs are for things like technicians, mechanics, electricians, IT, healthcare, admin, etc etc etc etc. Like, every Navy vessel you see… 95% of the people there just keep the boat afloat and systems operating. They’re not even involved in the weapons systems, and the ones that are are not personally gunning down civilians in the streets…
So to flippantly regard all military and veterans as “murderers” is insane.
It shocks me that even in a progressive place like this, Americans still think that murder isn’t murder when a soldier does it. Like the Baby Jesus blesses everything a soldier does for their Holy America and makes it magically righteous and not even a little bit murdery.
Being a combat veteran of multiple engagements within a foreign nation almost certainly means he committed or attempted pre-meditated, intentional, cold-blooded homicide. The word for that is murder. Having state sanction doesn’t make it not murder. The things you do still reflect on you.
You know, at first I didn’t agree with you, then I read your post again and thought I agree, then I thought some more and went back and forth before finally deciding to not engage.
However, please stop seeing things in black and white and having arguments over it. Increased polarisation and ‘us vs them’ mentality in society can only lead to more violence.
There are some hard bright lines and murder is one of them. It’s one that I’ve been dismayed many progressive have in recent times decided they could overlook, if the right people suffer, if the right ends are advanced through the means of a human life. Please stop trying to obscure this line.
I’m not saying murder is fine. I just can’t agree that your generalization is true. There are many different ways to end up in armed forces and be forced to kill other people.
If a person has been in that situation, we can’t just assign them into a “murderer” group and try to placate them for everything that is going wrong. That is how we got to the current far-right ‘conservative’ support rise in almost every country. Instead, we should approach those people and try to educate them on how they were wronged by the current state of affairs. Then, together, we have a chance to make things better.
I’m pretty sure that if you ask, 99% of veterans won’t tell you that they enjoyed murdering people or think that that is ok. Usually they become very sad and/or exhibit PTSD symptoms.
more relevant, the overwhelming majority of veterans are in non combat roles. Like overwhelmingly so. Most military jobs are for things like technicians, mechanics, electricians, IT, healthcare, admin, etc etc etc etc. Like, every Navy vessel you see… 95% of the people there just keep the boat afloat and systems operating. They’re not even involved in the weapons systems, and the ones that are are not personally gunning down civilians in the streets…
So to flippantly regard all military and veterans as “murderers” is insane.
It shocks me that even in a progressive place like this, Americans still think that murder isn’t murder when a soldier does it. Like the Baby Jesus blesses everything a soldier does for their Holy America and makes it magically righteous and not even a little bit murdery.