To the protesters yesterday, do you see that the protests had exactly zero impact?

The protests right now are a glorified meet and greet. Most of these folks have never protested before.

But all the pamphlets and people I met proved that we are organizing and spreading ideas. This is how it starts.

The ‘protest’ part of the protest is just marketing. The actual work is when you meet the local unions and shake hands with the local powers. And no better time to meet them than a ‘protest’

Everyone who actually went to the protest knows what I’m talking about. The speakers and such are whatever and just preaching to the choir, but important to draw crowds. The actual work gets done at the tables and booths on the side.

Go to the next protest. Organize. We have 3 years before the next Presidential election, we have 1 year before the next congressional election. The time is ticking and we need to get the grassroots process started. It takes a long time.

They aren’t gonna tell you this unless you pretend to be Republican and say things in Republican coded ways to them.

The fact is: they all know that Trump isn’t a classic conservative and they all know that voting for him is a large betrayal of long standing values. They choose to vote for him anyway.

The fact is: Republicans have been working for power and see themselves as the oppressed minority who needs to resort to these tactics to hold onto whatever power they get. Meanwhile, you Democrats don’t even bring a knife to the political gunfight and are losing as the most basic levels.

I’m hoping that the Republicans have overplayed their hands. But if y’all can’t really behind a flawed candidate like Biden (when Republicans obviously can rally behind a felon for the greater good of their party), good fucking luck. Or do you think that Republicans can’t follow the news or some shit?

Trump has almost a 90% approval rating among Republican voters.

Yeah. Because he’s better than Harris to Republicans.

But go talk to Republicans about Tariffs. They kinda disagree with him on that. That’s a “hold your nose and accept it” deal. Many Republicans aren’t racists, but they’ll hold their nose and vote for racism for the good of the party. (See Latinos for Trump and so forth).

You can’t even figure out the basics of politics so you’re gonna lose again at this rate. So lets be clear: no one likes their party that much in American politics. But we all know that “the other side is worse”. Republicans truly don’t agree with much, they just believe Trump is better than the alternative.

If you can’t give that level of support to your side (be it Biden or Harris, or whoever else comes up), you’re gonna lose to the next guy again. Whoever it is after Trump. With any luck Trumpism can be defeated, but Republicans will remember this win from Trump for the rest of their lives. You’re stuck with Trumpism as a philosophy for the next 15+ years at least. I kid you not, because Republicans see and think that its working.

It’s not Republican voters, here in 2025, who have to hold their nose to vote

If you think every Republican believes and agrees with all or even most of Trump, then you are in a bubble.

Republicans outplayed you at the ground level. Part of that is religion and organization, belief and faith in greater purposes even if you vote and support something you don’t necessarily like.

You guys

Oh you’ve read me incorrectly. I’m not a Democrat. Go complain to someone else about that.

Nobody deserves more contempt for Joe Biden’s loss than Joe Biden himself.

I know you’re pissed at losing but wtf is this shit?

This is how you’re going to lose the next election again. If you can’t even rally yourside then wtf are you even doing? We’re almost one year into the second Trump admin and you still haven’t figured out the basics of politics.

The Republicans can hold their nose and vote for a candidate exactly opposite their values. And yet you can’t even support Harris as a valid alternative even as Trump wrecks our country for a year. And you expect me to stand by you and rally with you in the next election?

In any case: Harris (or Biden) would have broken up Google. Period. Quit complaining about things if you can’t even fucking rally or do the basics of politicking. You ain’t helping now.

Elections matter people.

Biden admin was pushing for a breakup. Trump admin does this

(The protagonist is the sword btw. Psychic flight, so his catgirl wielder gets a lot of benefits)

Apocalypse Hotel from last season.

A bit of a depressing start but pivots hard into ‘thinking’ comedy and philosophy. It’s got your over the top anime characters but the overall situation demands the thinking parts of your brain to activate.

Discover has an alliance with JCB, the #1 credit card of Japan. https://www.jcbusa.com/adding-jcb-card-acceptance/

And the reverse: https://www.discover.com/credit-cards/international-use/

Discover (mostly) works on JCB, and JCB (mostly) works on Discover terminals in USA.

This means that Discover is a ‘guest’ on Japan’s credit card network. It’s JCB that will have the main say of what is or isn’t allowed in Japanese payments.

That’s why I’m pretty sure Discover can’t fuck around. They literally aren’t powerful enough. JCB is the credit card power in Japan who is stronger than Discover. Even if they have Capitol One backing Discover now (and Diners Club International… And Pulse), Discover is too small to bully.

But the alliance system (JCB allowing Discover cards to work on most JCB terminals in the country) naturally allows Discover to still be used in the vast majority of Japanese transactions.

Discover has enough ‘alliances’ to be a card worth using. But also isn’t big enough to bully like Mastercard or Visa. Maybe that changes in the future but today I think Discover is our best move at a reasonable alternative.

Could you explain?

I’ve heard of years of examples of Visa/Mastercard DIRECTLY going after the Japanese Doujin market. Never have I heard of anything from Capitol One.

https://boundingintocomics.com/video-games/video-game-news/nier-creator-yoko-taro-voices-concern-over-rise-in-credit-card-companies-refusing-to-handle-adult-content-if-they-have-control-of-the-clearing-house-they-can-even-use-it-to-control-speech-in-o/

This isn’t a new issue at all. I’m glad that the Internet suddenly cares about it but there’s so much shallow shit and bad thinking right now I’m worried that this movement dissipates before any serious change happens.

But yes, please find me an example of Capitol One being a problem. I can mostly think of Visa, Mastercard issues with maybe one or two AmEx (but much more rarely and maybe those few exceptions AmEx had a point).

This is a payment processor issue. Not a bank issue. PayPal, Stripe and such are also issues, as well as Google Pay and Apple Pay in theory.

Steam suggests that ‘Payment Processors cited Mastercard Rules’.

Itch.io suggests that Visa specifically sent them a note, but more importantly that Stripe forbids sexual content.

We need to be smarter about this. We cannot just let random Twitter and Reddit outrage memes control us.

Fortunately, Visa and MasterCard have been assholes to a large number of international folks so I’m kinda okay with this? But the controversy this past month on these sexy games is poorly researched in general IMO.

We are seeing big tech (Reddit and Twitter) flex their muscles and see how easy they can attack other companies. It’s not even clear if the correct targets were chosen in this instance.

EDIT: my method of protest is to get a Discover (or AmEx if you prefer) so that we stop giving 3% of all of our commercial wealth to Visa or Mastercard. At least we can hit them in their revenue stream.

I don’t believe that Discover or AmEx is big enough to seriously bully these organizations around. So there’s safety in picking the distant 3rd and 4th place credit cards, just economically speaking.

There is also the fact that Discover has an alliance with JCB (Japans credit card) and RuPay (India) and UnionPay (China), meaning Discover is likely too weak to have gross international influence. (Relies upon local processors to get their card around the world).

Why? My research upon the Manga Library Z issue says that when Visa/Mastercard cut off Manga Library Z last year, both Discover and AmEx continues to support that controversial store. So that sets Visa/Mastercard as the troublesome ones, while Discover/AmEx might not have the strength to be troublesome yet.

Manual curation is the criteria. If you think something is best it’s enough for a topic.

If it’s problematic or low quality, we can discuss options. But manual curation and the feel of just talking about what interests a person immediately is the point of this place.

That being said, it seems like the original topic was deleted or something. I can’t read it… That’s certainly a problem but not the one I expected.

Keep in mind that this started because of a small telecall campaign by said Australian fringe group.

What? No.

Visa/Mastercard have been doing this shit for literally years. Then some small Australian fringe group knew they had allies in Visa/Mastercard to ban some porn so they emailed Visa/Mastercard.

As I noted, that guarantees financial death for the impacted game devs.

The warnings were literally years ago. Pretending that Visa/Mastercard are allies or even neutral on this issue is naive.

Visa/Mastercard have been pushing Sony and other video games to be less sexy for several years now.

I don’t expect Visa/Mastercard to cave on anything here. They’ve already made themselves a reputation on the more prudish side of things.

Have you not been paying attention to the campaign? That’s exactly what they’re doing, they’re tying up the customer support systems in a way that will be noticed and can’t be ignored. It’s having an instant effect on their bottom line since they’ll have to be scheduling more shifts right now to deal with the increased workload. Nobody’s suggesting emails.

That’s not how any of this shit works.

Visa/Mastercard aren’t even known for good service (that’s AmEx who cares about that). More realistically, Visa/Mastercard customer service declines during this protest period and 3 months from now everyone forgets about today’s campaign.

And Visa/Mastercard can then feel big and powerful as we didn’t actually do anything to stop them.

Switching to a different card actually deprives them of their fucking revenue. The thing Visa/Mastercard actually cares about.

Which is why I’m pushing either Discover or AmEx as the serious protest options. It seems Discover is better for this particular protest as we can still pay for stuff internationally for the international creators. (AmEx is not as good at that but is still a valid protest option if you prefer their customer service and/or travel lounges).

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Has Discover ever been powerful enough to bully JCB or UnionPay into bullying Japanese or Chinese game developers?

I don’t think so. I don’t think it’s even possible if I’m reading about this alliance system.

Mastercard/Visa doesn’t give a fuck about your emails. Just hit them in the pocket book and switch off of them. Visa/Mastercard needs more transactions and to grow like any other company in USA. Deprive them of revenue and they’ll notice.

The only way this outrage actually works in the long-term is if Visa/Mastercard loses money over this. So we need to think of how to make that actually happen.

There are other, Japanese or Chinese only, storefronts that accept JCB or Union pay.

Just because you’re too lazy to find them doesn’t mean they don’t exist. What I’m saying is it’s totally possibly to buy some of these games direct from China or Japan storefronts using Discover cards with their alliance with UnionPay and JCB.

You’re acting like it’s impossible to buy a game from a not-Steam location. Well how about finding the same sexy game from Good ol Games and paying for that with a Discover card??

https://www.discoverglobalnetwork.com/our-network/global-cardholders/

Discover claims some kind of alliance with UnionPay, RuPay, and Troy.

I’m still trying to figure out the whole situation. It seems like “Discover” is more of an alliance system, rather than a “one person controls the whole network” deal (like Visa or Mastercard). It means that they cannot give as strong guarantees, but members of the alliance seem to be largely compatible.

Don’t complain. Just drop Visa/Mastercard.

It seems like Discover has has the fewest issues with “overseas censorship” so far. In particular, the Japanese network “JCB” has an alliance with “Discover”.

I’m still researching my options (Discover vs AmEx vs … anything else???) and its looking like Discover is the best one for me. But I’m all ears for discussion.

EDIT: It looks like “Discover” is also in the Diners Club International network, meaning “Discover” opens up China, Europe and many other countries as well. Hmmm… Discover really is looking like the winner right now. But please discuss.