That’s right, Donald Trump just appeared magically out of a vacuum and became president. The failure of the Democrats to actually improve living conditions while they were in power has absolutely nothing to do with it.
The Democrats are responsible for the implementation of project 2025 because they failed to make things good enough so now the republicans are going make life worse?
Correct, the democrats are responsible for passing policies that immiserate people and create public disillusionment that creates room for oppostunists like Trump. The reality is that both parties have consistently followed the policy that favors the interests of the oligarchs. Entire books have been written on the subject.
I don’t see what the Democrats’ failures have to do with Trump laying off tens of thousands of workers unnecessarily (i.e., far more, and more permanently, than the shutdown necessitates). That is 100% his decision. You can’t possibly think, or claim, that that is somehow on the Democrats.
Just like his sudden move to rescind previously awarded funds for energy projects in blue states. That is not something that’s required, not something that’s necessary, not something that’s even good for the country; and it probably isn’t even legal. No Democrat decided to take back already allocated funds from blue states.
So I’m not sure what your point is exactly, and I AM sure you don’t know either.
The democrat failures created the political climate ripe for opportunist like Trump to be elected. You should ask yourself why Trump’s style politics are so effective today when they weren’t previously. People like Trump have always been around, he didn’t just appear out of some different dimension. It’s absolutely incredible that a grown ass adult would have trouble comprehending this.
Ah yes, the classic “anyone who disagrees with me must be too dumb to grasp my galaxy brain take” defense; always a hit at middle school debate club.
If you’re done congratulating yourself for noticing Trump didn’t materialize from a wormhole, maybe try engaging with what I actually said; about his actions, not your pet theory of historical inevitability.
Democratic failures didn’t force Trump to lay off tens of thousands of workers unnecessarily. They didn’t require him to rescind already allocated clean energy funds from blue states. These were deliberate; vindictive; and completely discretionary choices; 100% his.
Blaming Democrats for the fact that someone like Trump got elected is one thing; blaming them for everything he personally chooses to do is just transparent deflection.
So maybe ask yourself why a “grown ass adult” like you is parroting influencer-grade nonsense instead of addressing a single point directly
My favourite trope has to be people saying dumb things and then acting offended when called out on it. Now, if you’re done with your straw man, perhaps you can engage with what was said to you. Nowhere did I suggest that democrats made Trump do anything, or say anything about any historical inevitability. What I said is that their policies that dems pursued midwifed the political environment where people like Trump thrive.
The only people parroting influencer-grade nonsense here are the ones who are talking about dems making Trump do things while ignoring the actual role dems play in US politics. Grow up.
Ah, I see we’re doing the thing where you build your entire argument around a metaphor, then deny what the metaphor obviously implies, then call it a straw man when someone responds to exactly what you said.
Let’s walk through this carefully.
You said:
“Democrat failures created the political climate ripe for opportunists like Trump to be elected.”
“Their policies midwifed the political environment where people like Trump thrive.”
That’s not subtle. That is a clear causal argument. You’re saying Democrats created conditions that enabled Trump’s rise and behavior.
Then you said:
“Nowhere did I suggest that Democrats made Trump do anything, or say anything about any historical inevitability.”
Except, yes you did. You just used metaphorical phrasing to do it. “Midwifed the political environment” is not a value-neutral description; it’s a poetic way of saying they gave birth to the conditions that allowed Trump to act. You don’t get to hide behind language and then deny your own implication when it’s called out.
That’s not a straw man; that’s you trying to walk back your own framing.
And just so we’re clear, since you keep throwing around the term “straw man” like it means “someone disagreed with me”; a straw man is when someone misrepresents an argument to make it easier to attack. That didn’t happen here. I responded directly to the implications of your own words; I didn’t distort them. You just don’t like where your own logic leads.
You also said:
“The only people parroting influencer-grade nonsense are the ones talking about dems making Trump do things…”
Except no one said Democrats literally made Trump do anything. What I did was point out how your metaphor implies it, and how you are leaning on that implication to redirect the conversation away from Trump’s actual behavior.
Meanwhile; you never addressed any of this:
Trump laid off tens of thousands of workers—entirely by choice
Trump rescinded already-allocated clean energy funds from blue states—completely discretionary
Trump is taking vindictive; policy-hostile actions that serve no purpose but political punishment
These are the specific; traceable; personal decisions I brought up. You didn’t engage with a single one. Instead; you pivoted back to broad complaints about Democratic policies—as if that somehow answers for layoffs; sabotage; or retribution budgets.
That’s not engagement; that’s deflection.
So let’s be crystal clear:
You did imply Democrats helped cause Trump
You didn’t respond to Trump’s actions I actually mentioned (which is what the original article is actually about)
And you **did*i try to deny your own implication once it was held up to the light
My man. I’m not the one who needs to grow up here.
I’m not building any metaphor. I explained to you in very simple terms that the policies democrats actively chose to pursue resulted in Trump being elected. Evidently you’re still struggling with understanding this. Let me know what part you need explained in more detail. I didn’t imply anything. I was very clear in what I said.
The only one doing deflection here is you by bringing up what Trump is doing now. We all know what he’s doing, the question burgerlanders need to be asking themselves is how their country evolved to the stage where people like Trump are in power.
Maybe lay off chatgpt there and actually try actually reading what is being said to you.
I understood that perfectly. No, you are not “building a metaphor”, as you put it. What you are doing is building an argumentwith metaphor. And I explained in great detail, with quotes, how yes you are absolutely 100% building an argument with metaphor. What this current reply still fails to do, is address any of the points I laid out in a numbered list, or respond the points I was making about the OP’s article that you didn’t bother to read.
That’s right, Donald Trump just appeared magically out of a vacuum and became president. The failure of the Democrats to actually improve living conditions while they were in power has absolutely nothing to do with it.
The Democrats are responsible for the implementation of project 2025 because they failed to make things good enough so now the republicans are going make life worse?
Correct, the democrats are responsible for passing policies that immiserate people and create public disillusionment that creates room for oppostunists like Trump. The reality is that both parties have consistently followed the policy that favors the interests of the oligarchs. Entire books have been written on the subject.
Did you vote for any Democrats?
I don’t live in burgerland.
Lol what amazing land do you live in, shit-stirrer? Better be above reproach…
What the empire does affects everybody on the planet. We’re all your victims.
Still waiting on the name of your utopia…
I don’t see what the Democrats’ failures have to do with Trump laying off tens of thousands of workers unnecessarily (i.e., far more, and more permanently, than the shutdown necessitates). That is 100% his decision. You can’t possibly think, or claim, that that is somehow on the Democrats.
Just like his sudden move to rescind previously awarded funds for energy projects in blue states. That is not something that’s required, not something that’s necessary, not something that’s even good for the country; and it probably isn’t even legal. No Democrat decided to take back already allocated funds from blue states.
So I’m not sure what your point is exactly, and I AM sure you don’t know either.
The democrat failures created the political climate ripe for opportunist like Trump to be elected. You should ask yourself why Trump’s style politics are so effective today when they weren’t previously. People like Trump have always been around, he didn’t just appear out of some different dimension. It’s absolutely incredible that a grown ass adult would have trouble comprehending this.
Ah yes, the classic “anyone who disagrees with me must be too dumb to grasp my galaxy brain take” defense; always a hit at middle school debate club.
If you’re done congratulating yourself for noticing Trump didn’t materialize from a wormhole, maybe try engaging with what I actually said; about his actions, not your pet theory of historical inevitability.
Democratic failures didn’t force Trump to lay off tens of thousands of workers unnecessarily. They didn’t require him to rescind already allocated clean energy funds from blue states. These were deliberate; vindictive; and completely discretionary choices; 100% his.
Blaming Democrats for the fact that someone like Trump got elected is one thing; blaming them for everything he personally chooses to do is just transparent deflection.
So maybe ask yourself why a “grown ass adult” like you is parroting influencer-grade nonsense instead of addressing a single point directly
My favourite trope has to be people saying dumb things and then acting offended when called out on it. Now, if you’re done with your straw man, perhaps you can engage with what was said to you. Nowhere did I suggest that democrats made Trump do anything, or say anything about any historical inevitability. What I said is that their policies that dems pursued midwifed the political environment where people like Trump thrive.
The only people parroting influencer-grade nonsense here are the ones who are talking about dems making Trump do things while ignoring the actual role dems play in US politics. Grow up.
Ah, I see we’re doing the thing where you build your entire argument around a metaphor, then deny what the metaphor obviously implies, then call it a straw man when someone responds to exactly what you said.
Let’s walk through this carefully.
“Democrat failures created the political climate ripe for opportunists like Trump to be elected.”
“Their policies midwifed the political environment where people like Trump thrive.”
That’s not subtle. That is a clear causal argument. You’re saying Democrats created conditions that enabled Trump’s rise and behavior.
“Nowhere did I suggest that Democrats made Trump do anything, or say anything about any historical inevitability.”
Except, yes you did. You just used metaphorical phrasing to do it. “Midwifed the political environment” is not a value-neutral description; it’s a poetic way of saying they gave birth to the conditions that allowed Trump to act. You don’t get to hide behind language and then deny your own implication when it’s called out.
That’s not a straw man; that’s you trying to walk back your own framing.
And just so we’re clear, since you keep throwing around the term “straw man” like it means “someone disagreed with me”; a straw man is when someone misrepresents an argument to make it easier to attack. That didn’t happen here. I responded directly to the implications of your own words; I didn’t distort them. You just don’t like where your own logic leads.
“The only people parroting influencer-grade nonsense are the ones talking about dems making Trump do things…”
Except no one said Democrats literally made Trump do anything. What I did was point out how your metaphor implies it, and how you are leaning on that implication to redirect the conversation away from Trump’s actual behavior.
These are the specific; traceable; personal decisions I brought up. You didn’t engage with a single one. Instead; you pivoted back to broad complaints about Democratic policies—as if that somehow answers for layoffs; sabotage; or retribution budgets.
That’s not engagement; that’s deflection.
So let’s be crystal clear:
You did imply Democrats helped cause Trump
You didn’t respond to Trump’s actions I actually mentioned (which is what the original article is actually about)
And you **did*i try to deny your own implication once it was held up to the light
My man. I’m not the one who needs to grow up here.
I’m not building any metaphor. I explained to you in very simple terms that the policies democrats actively chose to pursue resulted in Trump being elected. Evidently you’re still struggling with understanding this. Let me know what part you need explained in more detail. I didn’t imply anything. I was very clear in what I said.
The only one doing deflection here is you by bringing up what Trump is doing now. We all know what he’s doing, the question burgerlanders need to be asking themselves is how their country evolved to the stage where people like Trump are in power.
Maybe lay off chatgpt there and actually try actually reading what is being said to you.
I understood that perfectly. No, you are not “building a metaphor”, as you put it. What you are doing is building an argument with metaphor. And I explained in great detail, with quotes, how yes you are absolutely 100% building an argument with metaphor. What this current reply still fails to do, is address any of the points I laid out in a numbered list, or respond the points I was making about the OP’s article that you didn’t bother to read.