I’m not sure if this is intended as ragebait or you wanted to pull readers in but please for the love of god stop saying the cure for men’s problems is feminism. Its the most performative male thing ever.
This guy does not get it. He will never reach the average man with his message. It is a similar to the redpill message but worded in a worse way and has tons of political baggage shoved in.
Its so reductive to say “just care” as if lonely men are going around having all these social interactions but the problem is that they aren’t caring hard enough. Bro the problem is they are NOT having social interactions. Saying “you just need to talk with your partner about the division of house hold labour” or “have you considered watching over your friends children?” they dont have a partner, they dont have friends thats why they are lonely. “You just need more free time” free time won’t do shit they have enough free time thats not the issue.
We’ve been told that anything outside of going to work or optimizing ourselves by lifting weights, sitting in ice baths, and pounding creatine isn’t worth much. That caring for others isn’t a “productive” or “efficient” use of our time. That someone else will always end up doing it. That we’re not supposed to do it because women are naturally, biologically designed for it and we’re not (which is untrue). That if we do it, we’re less valuable, like a woman, less of a man.
No we havent. No one has ever said this. I hate this stupid meme that men are raised as souless golems. Every man enjoys being around people and laughing. Everyman enjoys having a relationship. The problem isnt that they dont value it or “society has told them they can’t”. The problem is they not comfortable enough to put themselves out there and expose themselves to the social risk that comes with making friends or dating.
because saying stupid crap like ‘feminism is the answer’ is easy. ‘just follow these simple steps and your it will all be magically fixed!!’
fixing real social problems… are very very hard. and pointing out the legit real problems… and people don’t want to do the work. the problems are decades in the making and deeply entrenched in the culture and the economy, and most people are totally allergic to the solutions.
amen for poitning out the sexist biases of these articles. men are not ‘less than’ by default. or ‘less than’ for not adhering to some social ideal that we must all be happy success machines. god forbid we just be average and content.
This reeks of the same type of stuff as “just get outside to cure your depression” or “have you tried just not thinking like that?” for mental health issues.
If someone could be reached by telling them “just reach out, its that simple”, they weren’t the ones we need to be reaching. For sure it’d help, and there may be some people this resonates to. If so, great for them. But we have a major problem with isolated men, and those usually aren’t ones who this will be helpful for, any more than an article addressing the mental health crisis by saying “just try more” solves that problem.
I think we need to be reaching out, but IMO the focus isn’t on using words that are incredibly loaded, particularly for those people we’re trying to reach and connect with. Those of us who are doing better should be reaching out, like the author said, and making those connections, but that won’t solve this loneliness crisis.
like any social issue, reaching out isn’t doing shit. you can’t ‘reach out’ to the homeless really.
what you need to do is change the material conditions such that homelessness isn’t an appealing option… you have to give people opportunity. and we are living in a society that is destroying opportunity and then shifting the blame back on individuals for being ‘failures’ for not somehow squeezing blood out of a stone.
Dang, the post struck a cord didn’t it? Feminism has done more for me than any “men’s rights activism” will ever do.
The problem is they not comfortable enough to put themselves out there and expose themselves to the social risk that comes with making friends or dating
Speak for yourself. I have plenty of friends and family so I’m not “alone”, but I cannot have a conversation with my dad about how he’s really doing because “men don’t speak about feelings”.
Dang, the post struck a cord didn’t it? Feminism has done more for me than any “men’s rights activism” will ever do.
Yes i care about the topic, sue me. Ok its cool that feminism has done that for you but thats not relevant and it still sucks as a message when trying to reach men.
Speak for yourself. I have plenty of friends and family so I’m not “alone”, but I cannot have a conversation with my dad about how he’s really doing because “men don’t speak about feelings”.
Damn that sucks, well as the author says, you should just care more. Have you tried talking to him about the division of household labour? Maybe ask him to volunteer at your socialist action group? How about explaining to him that he needs feminism so he can talk about how he really feels. Yeah that is sure to get him to open up.
I’m gonna armchair pysc for a sec and diagnose that he probably doesnt trust you and doesnt want to share his feelings with you because you won’t let it go and will nag him about it for the rest of his days. Its little to do with society restraining him.
I’m not sure if this is intended as ragebait or you wanted to pull readers in but please for the love of god stop saying the cure for men’s problems is feminism. Its the most performative male thing ever.
This guy does not get it. He will never reach the average man with his message. It is a similar to the redpill message but worded in a worse way and has tons of political baggage shoved in.
Its so reductive to say “just care” as if lonely men are going around having all these social interactions but the problem is that they aren’t caring hard enough. Bro the problem is they are NOT having social interactions. Saying “you just need to talk with your partner about the division of house hold labour” or “have you considered watching over your friends children?” they dont have a partner, they dont have friends thats why they are lonely. “You just need more free time” free time won’t do shit they have enough free time thats not the issue.
No we havent. No one has ever said this. I hate this stupid meme that men are raised as souless golems. Every man enjoys being around people and laughing. Everyman enjoys having a relationship. The problem isnt that they dont value it or “society has told them they can’t”. The problem is they not comfortable enough to put themselves out there and expose themselves to the social risk that comes with making friends or dating.
because saying stupid crap like ‘feminism is the answer’ is easy. ‘just follow these simple steps and your it will all be magically fixed!!’
fixing real social problems… are very very hard. and pointing out the legit real problems… and people don’t want to do the work. the problems are decades in the making and deeply entrenched in the culture and the economy, and most people are totally allergic to the solutions.
amen for poitning out the sexist biases of these articles. men are not ‘less than’ by default. or ‘less than’ for not adhering to some social ideal that we must all be happy success machines. god forbid we just be average and content.
This reeks of the same type of stuff as “just get outside to cure your depression” or “have you tried just not thinking like that?” for mental health issues.
If someone could be reached by telling them “just reach out, its that simple”, they weren’t the ones we need to be reaching. For sure it’d help, and there may be some people this resonates to. If so, great for them. But we have a major problem with isolated men, and those usually aren’t ones who this will be helpful for, any more than an article addressing the mental health crisis by saying “just try more” solves that problem.
I think we need to be reaching out, but IMO the focus isn’t on using words that are incredibly loaded, particularly for those people we’re trying to reach and connect with. Those of us who are doing better should be reaching out, like the author said, and making those connections, but that won’t solve this loneliness crisis.
like any social issue, reaching out isn’t doing shit. you can’t ‘reach out’ to the homeless really.
what you need to do is change the material conditions such that homelessness isn’t an appealing option… you have to give people opportunity. and we are living in a society that is destroying opportunity and then shifting the blame back on individuals for being ‘failures’ for not somehow squeezing blood out of a stone.
Amen
Dang, the post struck a cord didn’t it? Feminism has done more for me than any “men’s rights activism” will ever do.
Speak for yourself. I have plenty of friends and family so I’m not “alone”, but I cannot have a conversation with my dad about how he’s really doing because “men don’t speak about feelings”.
Yes i care about the topic, sue me. Ok its cool that feminism has done that for you but thats not relevant and it still sucks as a message when trying to reach men.
Damn that sucks, well as the author says, you should just care more. Have you tried talking to him about the division of household labour? Maybe ask him to volunteer at your socialist action group? How about explaining to him that he needs feminism so he can talk about how he really feels. Yeah that is sure to get him to open up.
I’m gonna armchair pysc for a sec and diagnose that he probably doesnt trust you and doesnt want to share his feelings with you because you won’t let it go and will nag him about it for the rest of his days. Its little to do with society restraining him.
stop he’s already dead
“Your dad won’t communicate openly because nagging” lol good one, top shelf bait
It is if you ignore the first half of the sentence.
The first half of the sentence doesn’t make it any less stupid, nothing will